23 January 2003


New members joining us this week are:

Dom July from Midhurst, UK

Chez Chesney from Fife, UK

Welcome to the OBA!


From: Willie Crossley, Whitby ON, Canada
Date: 16 Jan 2003 21:37
Subject: Re: Old Boys Briefs 011703

Hi Tony,

First let me take this opportunity to thank you for the briefs and the excellent work you are doing mate. 

Secondly, I want to wish you and your wife the very best for 2003 from both of us. We have just returned from the UK for Xmas and Athens for the New Year. It was just like old times flying around the world, we enjoyed our trip very much but unfortunately did not have much time for visiting old friends. Whilst in the UK I did get a chance to see my old mate Kevin Briggs who had only just returned from a trip visiting me. He told me to let you know that he is not receiving the briefs (e-mail) from you.  His e-mail address is and he would appreciate if you could add him to your list.

It has been interesting reading all the e-mails sent in by members and it is awesome how ALL enjoy this forum to bring out the old stories.  Keep it up Tony and once again thanks for ALL your hard work, without your dedication to the cause this would have folded by now.

Warm regards always,

Willie and Marilyn Crossley

[Ed:  Many thanks for the kind words Willie - I have added Kevin to the distribution list.]


From: David Howley, Melton Mowbray, UK
Date: 17 Jan 2003 04:12
Subject: Change of E-mail Address


Please note my change of e-mail address - same as before really but now prefixed with my initials i.e.



[Ed:  Duly noted and changed this end - thanks David.]


Just got this in from a reliable source It seems that there is a virus out there called the Senile Virus that even the most advanced programs from Norton cannot take care of, so be warned, it appears to affect those who were born before 1958! 


1. Causes you to send same e-mail twice. 

2. Causes you to send blank e-mail. 

3. Causes you to send to wrong person. 

4. Causes you to send back to person who sent it to you. 

5. Causes you to forget to attach the attachment. 

6. Causes you to hit "SEND" before you've finished the 


From: Fred Martin, Woking, UK
Date: 17 Jan 2003 04:48
Subject: Kidbrooke 1961

Dear Tony,

Herewith a picture of the summer 1961 Air Movements course at Kidbrooke. I am centre row second left as you look at the photo. Also in the photo back row 9th left is Geordie Daverson - mentioned in the article on the Zambia Oil Lift of 1965, I believe it is the same Geordie who went absent at that time.

I remember the names of those who went on to Khormaksar with me; Daverson, Dew, Keena, Fahey, Balfour and Le Gendre and also Bob Maule who went on to Butterworth FEAF. I cannot recall the names of any others but I believe the course instructor was FS Stone pictured 6th left front row. 

Best wishes 

Fred Martin 

P.S. This is the first photo I've sent by email as I've just got a scanner. If you have a problem with it please let me know and I will endeavour to send another.

[Ed:  Many thanks for the photo Fred, which I've placed in Images 1960 Page 4.  Your transmission was perfect!  If anyone does have any problems with their scanner and or e-mailing of photographs etc., just drop me a line, let me know the make and model of the scanner and also what kind of photo editing software you are using (Photoshop, Photodraw, Paint Shop Pro etc.,) and I will be more than happy to share a few tips and secrets with you.]


Here's something interesting for all you old 'uns.  I have placed a couple of sound files onto the Home and Welcome pages of the website - visit them in that order.  There is the old familiar sound of an aircraft engine attempting to start on the Home page, then when you enter the site onto the Welcome page she bursts into life.  Can anyone tell me the name of the engine and the aircraft associated with it? [no longer valid]


From: John Holloway, Shrewsbury, UK
Date: 17 Jan 2003 13:49
Subject: A Little Bit of History

The 600th Anniversary of the Battle of Shrewsbury July 21st 1403

The events of Sunday 21st July 1403 were to have a traumatic effect on the course of English and French history. The conflict between the Percy family of Northumbria and King Henry IV, whom they had helped only four years earlier to seize the throne from Richard II, had simmered for some time over monies the King owed them. In 1403 the King moved northwards, ostensibly to settle matters, but on hearing of this the young Henry Percy (Harry Hotspur) rode south to the family estates in Cheshire to raise a force of archers and to join hopefully the forces of Owain Glyn Dwr to resist the Royal army.

The attempt to take the fortified town of Shrewsbury as his base was thwarted by the presence in the town of young Prince Hal (later Henry V) and Percy was forced to retreat and take up camp at Berwick (Salop) with the river at his rear. The King’s army had now reached the area of Haumond Hill near Shrewsbury and encamped. Negotiations between the camps failed to resolve the impasse and after much argument, battle was declared late in the afternoon. Unfortunately for Percy, Glyn Dwr failed to arrive leaving him in dire straits.

Initial volleys from the opposing forces of archers turned the skies black. In this the first battle between Englishmen to see the longbow used in anger by both sides, the impact of ‘long-range’warfare was not lost to the beholders. Initially Percy’s men held the upper hand but a charge from a hidden position by Prince Hal’s men swung the battle. Percy was killed and the rout commenced. It was said that the field was hidden by the bodies of the dead. Thousands died in only three hours.

Three years later the King granted permission for a chapel to the dead to be raised on the site of the Battle. Today St Magdalen, Battlefield, is the only church built on the site of the battle it commemorates to survive.

Young Prince Hal, injured in the fighting and treated at Shrewsbury Abbey for his arrow wound, took his experiences with him to France and in 1415 his English longbow men devastated vastly superior numbers including most of the French aristocracy.

In 2003 over twenty organizations have combined to commemorate this momentous event with a programme of major events, specialist activities and themed festivals.

As an aside I recall a few years ago the grounds in Shrewsbury castle, whose battlements overlook the forecourt of the railway station, were used to for the production of Shakespeare's King Henry IV and I happened to be walking by the station when a couple of blokes in full medieval armour astride huge horses were making their way from Battlefield to the castle. They had to stop at the traffic lights by the station and at the same time there was a party of Japanese tourists waiting to cross the road; you should have seen their faces; they couldn’t believe their eyes ‘stood back in utter amazement’

Hope the foregoing was of interest; 


[Ed:  I don't know about anyone else out there, but the older I get the more I'm fascinated by history - thanks John!]


From: Charles Collier, Marlborough, UK 
Date: 17 Jan 2003 17:19
Subject: OBA Brief

Hello Tony, 

Sorry I missed sending you anything this last week but what happened is that I've had BT install Home Highway, an ISDN dedicated line to the ISP, which operates with startling intensity. Anyway, here goes with another story:

During my time in Aden 1965-67 I volunteered as a part-time platoon commander with other part-time NCOs and airmen. This was organised by the RAF Regiment in order to relieve the hard pressed Army units who arrived in quick succession on detachment into the theatre of operations in order for them to have some time off.

Well, I was commanding an entry point into Aden colony from Crater - the Arab Quarter - when I noticed an army Landrover with a CO's flag flying. I immediately summoned my platoon of airmen to stand to in their positions. The Landrover pulled up and out jumped Lt Col Mitchell - Mad Mitch - commander of the Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders. As he approached I stood to attention and saluted. He had just asked me if everything was all right when a chance shot rang out and passed between me and the colonel, and struck the rock on the opposite side of the road!

I responded that everything was all right until he arrived. He agreed jovially and said that he would not overstay his presence - after all the shot was meant for him and not me!

So, when you meet notable people watch out for happenings you might not expect!

Many regards


[Ed:  Thanks Charles - keep 'em coming!]


From: Dave Cromb, Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Date: 17 Jan 2003 03:18
Subject: Articles

G'day Tony,

Thanks for the brief, I always dive into my study 1st thing Saturday mornings to read the latest, I'm sure many others do much the same thing.

I picked up on your comment re lack of writers. Sad really, everyone wants to be a member of the OBA, but can't find a few mins to give an article or a memory to share. I mean it doesn't have to be a biography or 1000 word article, just a little something to show a genuine interest in the welfare of the OBA, and more,to give support to your goodself. 


A very close friend of mine 69-71, at Akrotiri, Alan W-Moore must have a tale or two to tell, where are you Al? Oh dear, what have I done, I've gone and named someone, now I'm in for it.

And you Chris Hayes, also Akrotiri 70 ish, if the OBA is good enough to call upon to track your mate Eddie Morgan, it's certainly worthy of an article or ten. Crikey, what a blast, that must be the same Eddie Morgan who celebrated his 21st with me & and someone else whom I can't recall, in Limassol in 70, we hired a nightclub. Who was the 3rd birthday boy?

This is what it's all about, no offence intended, but I had forgotten Eddie, and the other person, and yet he & I celebrated a major milestone in our lives together. It would be great to hear from him again Chris.

To conclude Tony, re your mail "Mover's Family" about the guy who was in need of a beer or three. I never did join the RAAF, for, amongst other things, the very reasons outlined.

Cheers for now.



From: Jack Riley, Urangan Qld., Australia
To: John Holloway, Shrewsbury, UK
Date: 17 Jan 2003 18:24
Subject: Re:  A Little bit of History

Dear John,

Thanks for the "little bit of history." You may be interested to know that the bows used by the archers had a pull strength of 100lbs. Few people could manage it today.

The choice of St Magdalen as the name of the church, combined with the date, suggests that Knights Templar may well have been involved. 

In this connection I am sure you would find the book "The Templar Revelation" by Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince a worthwhile read




From: Fred Martin, Woking, UK
Date: 20 Jan 2003 03:04
Subject: Photo of Airmovs course Kidbrooke 1961

Hi Tony,

I have just looked at the photo on Images 1960s 4 and read the blurb that I wrote underneath and shock horror! I have got my left and rights mixed up (I think that becoming 60 last month has something to do with it ! ) 

I am actually in the second row second in on the RIGHT as you look at the photo.T he gentleman seated front row sixth in on the RIGHT is I believe FS Stone who took most of the course. Seated sixth in on the LEFT as you look at the photo is I believe you rightly pointed out Wally Waltham. I can still probably name about 10 of the Airmen in the photo and would be interested to see if anyone in the photo is recognised by any other members. 

It is also surprising that I have not seen the names of many Air Movers that I served with in 2 years at Khormaksar, come up on this website. The only two I have seen reference to are Geordie Daverson and I think the late Reg Carey was the same Sgt Carey who was at Khormaksar at the same time. 

Best wishes 

Fred Martin 

[Ed:  Thanks Fred, that was a MAJOR faux pas - I'll leave the photo as-is for a few more days.... so all can see the error and associated irony].


IN PRISON spend the majority of your time in an 8 x 10 cell. 
AT WORK spend the majority of your time in a 6 x 8 cubicle. 

IN PRISON get three meals a day. 
AT WORK only get a break for one meal and you have to pay for it. 

IN PRISON get time off for good behaviour. 
AT WORK get more work for good behaviour.  

IN PRISON ...the guard locks and unlocks all the doors for you. 
AT WORK must carry around a security card and open all the doors for yourself.

IN PRISON can watch TV and play games. 
AT WORK ... you get fired for watching TV and playing games.

IN PRISON get your own toilet. 
AT WORK have to share with some idiot who urinates on the seat.

IN PRISON ...they allow your family and friends to visit. 
AT WORK can't even speak to your family.

IN PRISON...all expenses are paid by the taxpayer with no work required. 
AT WORK get to pay all the expenses to go to work and then they deduct taxes from your salary to pay for prisoners.

IN PRISON spend most of your life inside bars wanting to get out. 
AT WORK .. . you spend most of your time wanting to get out and go inside bars.

IN PRISON must deal with sadistic wardens. 
AT WORK ... they are called managers.

So ..... why is it again that you work?


From: Ian Berry, Swindon, UK
To: Dave Cromb, Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Date: 20 Jan 2003 04:45
Subject: Re: Articles


Al W-Moore has an e-mail address on the OBA, I sent him a copy of that last photo. Ed Morgan is still in and is at Brize Norton but not working full time yet. He had cancer of the stomach and the synopsis was not good but he surprised all by bouncing back. I met your man Chris Hayes earlier last year but under sad conditions, he was at Ray Webster's funeral. Chris became an Air Eng on Hercs then went out and until recently was flying with British Airways but was last seen job hunting. I can dig out an address for Eddy if you want it? Speak to ya later.



From: Ron Turley, Doha, Qatar
Date: 22 Jan 2003 03:56
Subject: Re: Job Opportunity Advertisement

Dear Tony,

You will be pleased to hear that we had some success with the advertising for jobs with Q-Chem that you did on the web site. As a direct result of the advertisement Karl Hibbert got in touch with me, was duly interviewed and was offered and accepted the post of warehouse supervisor. He was even in-country at the time which made the hiring process very easy. He is now putting the final touches to a finished goods warehouse the size of 8 soccer pitches! He has also been joined here by his wife.

The only downside is that Karl is now my next door neighbour and regularly mounts raids to empty my refrigerator of beer. I think his wife is under the mistaken idea that these devices are for storing food.

Best wishes,

Ron Turley

[Ed:  Pleased?  That's an understatement - I am absolutely thrilled and delighted!!  Congratulations on your new job Karl!!]


From: Dave Cromb, Brisbane, Qld., Australia
To: Ian Berry, Swindon, UK
Date: 22 Jan 2003 19:01
Subject: Flying Times

My shortest was in a Herc, 3 minutes, Lossiemouth to Kinloss. The longest being also in a Herc Darwin to Gan, 11 hrs 25 minutes. Can anyone top them?

No names, but there I was again, on a Herc under a vehicle, this time a s.w.b. Landrover, (and yes it was raining again). I needed 1 more floor point, why? 'cos I got the count wrong in the 1st place. Anyway, the SNCO of whom I very politely asked to fetch me the floor point did just that. Sadly it was only a 5,000 pounder... didn't fit!! Makes you wonder doesn't it?

More next week.




From: Ian Berry, Swindon, UK
To: Dave Cromb, Brisbane, Qld., Australia
Date: 23 Jan 2003 04:09
Subject: Re: Flying Times

4 minutes Sharjah-Dubai

11 hrs 20 minutes Nassau-Lyneham

Longest ever 13 hrs 25 minutes in a 747 Changi-Heathrow



Guestbook Entry:

Monday 01/20/2003 4:23:17am 
Name:    Abdallah Ben Said 
City/Country: Sultanate of Oman 

I really enjoyed browsing your site, particularly enjoyed article about RAFO (Royal Air Force of Oman).

I own and run an Air Force supplies and services company in Oman and would like to have contacts of any company or individual that supplies or services British RAFO.





A kindergarten pupil told his teacher he'd found a cat.  She asked him if it was dead or alive. 

"Dead." She was informed. 

"How do you know?" she asked her pupil. 

"Because I pissed in its ear and it didn't move," answered the child innocently. 

"You did WHAT?!?" the teacher exclaimed in surprise. 

"You know," explained the boy, "I leaned over and went 'Pssst!' and it didn't move." 


A small boy is sent to bed by his father. 

Five minutes later.... 



"I'm thirsty. Can you bring drink of water?" 

"No. You had your chance. Lights out." 

Five minutes later: 



"I'm THIRSTY. Can I have a drink of water??" 

"I told you NO!" If you ask again, I'll have to spank you!!" 

Five minutes later...... 



"When you come in to spank me, can you bring a drink of water?" 


An exasperated mother, whose son was always getting into mischief, finally asked him, "How do you expect to get into Heaven?" 

The boy thought it over and said, "Well, I'll run in and out and in and out and keep slamming the door until St. Peter says, 'For Heaven's sake, Dylan, either come in or stay out!'" 


One summer evening during a violent thunderstorm a mother was tucking her son into bed. She was about to turn off the light when he asked with a tremor in his voice, "Mommy, will you sleep with me tonight?" 

The mother smiled and gave him a reassuring hug. "I can't dear," she said. "I have to sleep in Daddy's room." 

A long silence was broken at last by his shaky little voice: "The big sissy." 


It was that time, during the Sunday morning service, for the children's sermon. All the children were invited to come 
forward. One little girl was wearing a particularly pretty dress and, as she sat down, the pastor leaned over and said, "That is a very pretty dress. Is it your Easter Dress?" 

The little girl replied, directly into the pastor's clip-on microphone, "Yes, and my Mom says it's a bitch to iron." 


When I was six months pregnant with my third child, my three year old came into the room when I was just getting ready to get into the shower. She said,"Mommy, you're getting fat!" 

I replied, "Yes, honey, remember Mommy has a baby growing in her tummy." 

"I know," she replied, but what's growing in your butt?" 


A little boy was doing his math homework. He said to himself, "Two plus five, that son of a bitch is seven. Three plus six, that son of a bitch is nine...." 

His mother heard what he was saying and gasped, "What are you doing?" 

The little boy answered, "I'm doing my math homework, Mom." 

"And this is how your teacher taught you to do it?" the mother asked. 

"Yes," he answered. 

Infuriated, the mother asked the teacher the next day, "What are you teaching my son in math?" 

The teacher replied, "Right now, we are learning addition." 

The mother asked, "And are you teaching them to say two plus two, that son of a bitch is four?" 

After the teacher stopped laughing, she answered, "What I taught them was, two plus two, THE SUM OF WHICH, is four.


One day the first grade teacher was reading the story of Chicken Little to her class. She came to the part of the story where Chicken Little tried to warn the farmer. She read, ".... and so Chicken Little went up to the farmer and said, "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!" The teacher paused then asked the class, "And what do you think that farmer said?" 

One little girl raised her hand and said, "I think he said: 'Holy Shit! A talking chicken!'" 

The teacher was unable to teach for the next 10 minutes 


Well, that's it for this week

Have a great weekend!

Best regards