24 August 2001


New on the website this week - a whole whack of new photographs thanks mainly to Ian Berry. There are also a couple of new pictures in Images 2000 which I came across - one of which is a floor plan, produced I believe by Boeing, of the first operational load for the C17 which flew out of Brize for Skopje last Friday. I was amazed at the load, and thought that it would raise a comment from Chris Clarke so I sent it to him - his comments are in the briefs.

I was able to "lift" a profile of Jim Gallagher from his corporate website and added a wee bit here and there - you can get to it from the Members Pages.

From: John Holloway
Subject: BELFAST
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 14:47:59 +0100

Dear Tony,

Great lot of new photos this week . I noted Ian Berry’s comment of having only one photo of a Belfast. I have sent via snailmail one of the Belfast at Cosford if it’s any use to you When it arrived at the museum it was in HeavyLift colours and they’ve done a really good job of restoring it.

Looking at today's new photos I can’t help feeling that the AvroYork in Images 1980’s is actually at the Cosford Museum.
If you compare it with the photo I snailmailed to you, you’ll notice the Hangar at the rear is the same, as are the posts around the aircraft.

I think the York disappeared from RAF service a lot earlier than 1957. When I was at Lyneham they were being operated by Skyways just for freighting as they were deemed unsafe for passenger work

Cheers for now

John Holloway

[Ed: Many thanks John - looking forward to receiving your mail as always.]

From: Chris Clarke
Subject: Re: First Operational Load
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 05:24:11 -0400

Wow, must be great to wheel Lynx AC7's in like that, I wonder if they tirfored them in? I see from the video they were nosing trailers in and using US tensioners, and the loady seemed to have his hands full and didn't appear to know what was going on!

Anyway, gotta hit the mean streets!

Thanks for the floor plan!

[Ed: Just by way of an explanation - Chris sent me the URL for a BBC video report on the first operational load - and it was true - the Loadie looked and acted very confused!]


[The following was received from the Webmaster of the RAF Boy Entrants Association]

From: Graham Mepham
Subject: Fw: rafbea
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 16:57:25 +0930

Can anyone help Russell?

Gordon M

----- Original Message -----
From: Russell Samuel
To: Graham Mepham
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 4:40 AM
Subject: rafbea

Hello, I have been visiting the RAFBEA site for about a year looking for my ex comrades in the 45th supplier entry. Sadly it seems that they havn`t yet heard of the PC. I am ex.V1946117 SAC Russell Samuel.

Can you help?


[The following appeared in the Guest Book of the website - I forwarded it to Ian Berry]

Sunday 08/19/2001 7:30:07am
Name: Bob Bailey
City/Country: Stoke on Trent
Comments: Don't Know if any one out there can help me. I'm looking for DAVE WILSON who was a mover at Lyneham in the 1990s after he remusterd from supply at Stafford. Last I heard he was seeing a French bird. If any one has any info I
would be most grateful.

PS Great site and hi to any movers who can remember me.

SAC Rob Bailey


From: Ian Berry
To: Bob Bailey
Subject: Dave Wilson
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2001 18:34:51 +0100


Yes I do know Dave Wilson, he used to be the oldest SAC mover in the trade but got his tapes at age 37!. Dave has just been posted to Hannover Airport in Germany. He is still married to a French girl but she's now back in France with their daughter.

I haven't got a contact number here for Dave but if you ring RAF Lyneham 01249 890381 Ext 6349 or 6377 and ask them for the Hannover number I'm sure they'll oblige.


Ian Berry

ps: Tony, still a bit busy at the mo with Essential Harvest but tomorrow should see the end of phase 1. I had my camera ready on Friday for the first C17 to be loaded at Lyneham with a UKMAMS load for the Gulf but it was commandeered and went to Skopje from Brize instead


From: Dibs Loveridge
Subject: Rip Kirby
Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 01:00:09 +0100


A few weeks ago, I finished a mail to you with the line, "where's Rip Kirby". This was a bit of a tongue-in-cheek remark, and could have applied to one of many old friends. Through the OBA, could I thank all those who did respond to me? Rip is back on MAMS. Now, where is.....?

Just got back from 2 weeks camping in the New Forest, the site was carefully selected, it has a pub, with its own brewery, just outside the main gate. Have booked for next year. Next time I go up in the loft, I will try and find my old photo box, there may be some goodies within.

Rgds, Dibs.


From: John Bell
Subject: Airline Humour.
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:32:09 +1000

Airline Humour
Who says pilots and controllers have no sense of humour? Following are accounts of actual exchanges between airline and control towers from around the world:

Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff, contact Departure on 124.7." Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to Departure. By the way, after we lifted off, we saw some kind of dead animal on the far end of the runway."
Tower: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, contact Departure on 124.7; did you copy the report from Eastern?"
Continental 635: "Continental 635, cleared for takeoff, roger; and yes, we copied Eastern and we've already notified our caterers."
During taxi, the crew of a US Air departure flight to Ft. Lauderdale, made a wrong turn and came nose to nose with a United 727. The irate ground controller (a female) lashed out at the US Air crew screaming, "US Air 2771, where are you going? I told you to turn right on "Charlie" taxi way; you turned right on "Delta." Stop right there. I know it's difficult to tell the difference between C's and D's but get it right." Continuing her lashing to the embarrassed crew, she was now shouting hysterically, "God, you've screwed everything up; it'll take forever to sort this out. You stay right there and don't move until I tell you to. You can expect progressive taxi instructions in about a half hour and I want you to go exactly where I tell you, when I tell you, and how I tell you. You got that US Air 2771??" The humbled crew responded: "Yes Ma'am". Naturally, the "ground control" frequency went terribly silent after the verbal bashing of US Air Flight 2771. No one wanted to engage the irate ground controller in her current state. Tension in every cockpit at LGA was running high. Shortly after the controller finished her admonishment of the U.S. Air crew, an unknown male pilot broke the silence and asked, "Wasn't I married to you once?"
The controller who was working a busy pattern told the 727 on downwind to make a three-sixty (do a complete circle, usually to provide spacing between aircraft). The pilot of the 727 complained, "Do you know it costs us 2 thousand dollars to make a three-sixty in this aeroplane? Without missing a beat the controller replied, "Roger, give me 4 thousand dollars worth!"
A DC-10 had an exceedingly long roll out after landing with his approach speed just a little too high. San Jose Tower: "American 751 heavy, turn right at the end if able. If not able, take the Guadeloupe exit off of Highway 101 and make a right at the light to return to the airport.
The German air controllers at Frankfurt Airport are a short-tempered lot. They not only expect one to know one's gate parking location but how to get there without any assistance from them. So it was with some amusement that we (a PanAm 747) listened to the following exchange between Frankfurt ground control and a British Airways 747 (call sign "Speedbird 206") after landing: Speedbird 206: "Top of the morning Frankfurt, Speedbird 206 clear of the active runway." Ground: "Guten morgen! You vill taxi to your gate!" The big British Airways 747 pulled onto the main taxi way and slowed to a stop. Ground: "Speedbird, do you not know vare you are going?" Speedbird 206: "Stand by a moment ground, I'm looking up our gate location now." Ground: (with some arrogant impatience) "Speedbird 206, haff you never flown to Frankfurt before?!?" Speedbird 206 (coolly): "Yes, I have, in 1944. In another type of Boeing. I didn't stop."

John Bell

[Ed: Thanks John - very funny stuff. Thanks also for the photograph of the Blackhawk helicopter under attack which I will get into the Humour page this weekend.]


From: Scott Innes
Subject: Mystery Photograph Suggestions
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:42:20 +0100

Evacuation of British Nationals from Cyprus in the '70s?



Ps. Give in!

[Ed: Naw - not even close! You give in far too easily Scotty!]


From: Ian Berry
Subject: Mystery Photograph Suggestions
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:22:03 +0100

Where - Thessaloniki
When - Sept 1969
What - Palletising?
Who - Jim Gallagher, Hugh Curran? David Bell, Don't know, Bob Thacker
Why - Annual IALCE/AMF Exercise

[Ed: You are correct Sir! That would have been Exercise Hellenic Express. Your prize (gulp!) is in the (e) mail.


[I received an e-mail from a lady who was desirous of establishing a pen-pal contact with an RAF type and wanted to know how to go about it. I suggested that she could advertise in the RAF news for the sum of £7 for 35 words, or, being the gentleman I am, I said she could put it in my Briefs for nothing!]

From: Catherine Walker
Subject: Re: penpals
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:41:31 +0100

Hello Tony

Thank you very much for being so prompt. This is the profile that I am going to place, if you would like any more information feel free to ask for it:

Independent white female wishes to enhance the life of an ambitious sincere male.

I am 37 years of age, 5ft 4" tall, sexy blue eyes (so I am frequently told) slim/medium build with dark shoulder length curls. My hobbies/interests include keeping fit, quiet times in/socialising + entertaining, DIY to Disco Diva, Travel, sharing an open fire with good company, I am open to new experiences.

Male Contacts only, with their Heart still in the right place need apply. Looks/age unimportant as beauty comes from within. "Don't be shy just reply"

Thanks for the RAF News address, that is what I'd been searching for. You're a star

Much appreciated



From: Steve Williams
Subject: Change of email address
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:52:00 +0100

Hello Tony

Please note my change of e-mail address.


Steve Williams

[Ed: 'tis done - thanks for letting us know Steve]


Well, that's it for this week.

Have a great weekend!

Best regards