29 August 2003


From: Paul English, Chippenham, UK
Date: 23 Aug 2003 04:21
Subject: ALM Trade
Hi Tony,

Just read your latest brief. Guessed you were busy lighting candles, so unable to produce your high standard briefs for a while.

As for the Aircrew branch, I think this is a spoof, check the date 1st April. Also it's an unofficial site. Cant ever recall a Loadie on Vc10's operating GPMG's through the freight door, so how could they be called Weapon System Operators, also, Airmen Aircrew have always been known in my time in the RAF as NCO Aircrew, again a pointer to 1st Apr this year.

Think a few people have been sucked in to this one. However, if its proved to be a real change then I dont really care anyway, as I'm now weeks away from being Mr English not Cpl English anymore..




From: Gordon Black, Swindon, UK
Date: 26 Aug 2003 06:48
Subject: Regarding Pete Cowan...


Have spoken to Pete today, he is back at home and well on the way to a full recovery and he reckons that in about 6 weeks he will be able to get on with the rest of his life. Bloody marvellous what they can do to your body today and how quickly it recovers. 

He's not on the net but if you or anyone else for that matter wants to get in touch just e-mail me and I'll pass it on.

Keep up the great work on the OBA.



From: John Holloway, Shrewsbury, UK
Date: 26 Aug 2003 13:16
Subject: Cosford

Hi Tony

I had a look in at Cosford this weekend and there have been a few changes since I was there last.

The York has had a little bit of paint work; it’s number altered; it is still in RAF colours but MW100 has been replaced with TS798.  I don’t know what this is, it certainly isn’t an RAF number.

There are three new arrivals a P51 Mustang a MIG15 in Polish colours together with a PO2 Tornado.

Two aircraft have disappeared; the Jaguar and the Buccaneer ; like the Sopwith Camel they pinched last year the Buc has gone to Hendon. They do report that there will be some more movements during the coming months with more going to Hendon.  I wouldn’t mind betting they’ve got their eyes on the TSR2 !!!

The Vulcan is getting a refurbishment ready for the winter (soon be here) with a range of very precarious looking scaffolding around it especially up around the tail unit.




From: Charles Collier, Marlborough, UK
Date: 26 Aug 2003 15:19
Subject: Go Gliding

Hello Tony, 

I was sifting through members and came across Bob Thacker who was now going gliding.

Well, I started gliding in the ATC and went solo with an A&B certificates and when I was an aircraft apprentice at RAF Halton I carried on with this sport and then there was a lull. It wasn't until I was commissioned and came back from Aden to RAF Marham that in 1966 I joined the Fenland Gliding Club of the RAFGSA.

It wasn't long after joining the club that I was summoned to the Wg Cdr administration's office! He welcomed me in and explained that as I had joined the Fenland Gliding Club - I had a job: that of treasurer! The club was not making a profit but a loss. The treasurer at time was not a glider pilot but aircrew on the Victor tanker squadron so could not keep a tight reign on glider club finances. 

So, it was up to me to straighten things out. The obvious change was to finish with repayment transactions and move to prepayment.

This I did and had booklets of tickets produced by the local printer at a shilling in the pound discount. Therefore, potential glider pilots would have to buy a book of tickets for one pound and then get 10 launches.

At RAF Marham in those days we had a number of US airman from Lakenheath airbase who would purchase £5 worth of tickets each - a lot of money in 1966! The Americans would have one days gliding and then you would never see them again. The Vietnam war was on!

Their prepayments were held as reserve against their future use of them - but it never came.

So, I'm called into the Wg Cdr administration's office once again. He praised my work as treasurer in turning round the gliding clubs finances but then announced that we had another problem - a sizeable profit in the non-public fund! I said that I could use that money in refurbishing the clubhouse and that in future I would keep a balance of income against expenditure.

That was a long time ago. I reached the level of silver C with a 50 kilometre flight from Marham to beyond Stradishall. That was in 1969.

Well, I have started again at a local club the Shelbourne Soaring Society of the BGA. it is 12 miles south of Marlborough and I am learning the ropes once more after nearly 40 years.

I must go now as I'm starting work tomorrow at 0530 driving a 7. 5 tonner for Bedson's Beds to somewhere between Lands End and Kent

Keep smiling everybody


From: Martin Liggett, Swindon, UK 
Date: 27 Aug 2003 05:32
Subject: PPRUNE

Hi Tony,

Our readers may be interested to read the Battle of Movers-v-Loadies" going on in the following website 

There are 2 threads one on the military aircrew and one on the Freightdogs, I sense the hand of Ian B (is he Muppet Leader or Echo 5?) but there is some serious bitching from our beloved aircrew apart from Beagle who unfortunately is retiring from the RAF soon.

Happy reading.



From: Dennis Martin, Woking, UK
Date: 27 Aug 2003 16:5 3
Subject: Holy Sense of Humour

I came across this article in an East Sussex Parish Magazine, dated November 2001:

"Not many folk would have heard of Larry LePrise. His claim to fame was that he wrote The Hokey Cokey. It didn't make him rich as he sold the song for about 25 dollars. Larry died recently at his home in North America aged 84. Putting him to rest, his family got his left leg in the coffin - then everything went down hill from there!"


From: Eddie Grace, Bangkok, Thailand
Date: 28 Aug 2003 19:41
Subject: New Mail Address

Please note that from today my mail address will be 

Rgds Eddie


A Russian couple were walking down the street in Moscow one night, when the man felt a drop hit his nose.

"I think it's raining", he said to his wife.

"No, that felt more like snow to me", she replied.

"No, I'm sure it was just rain" he said.

Well, as these things go, they were about to have a major argument about whether it was raining or snowing. Just then they saw a Communist Party official walking toward them.

"Let's not fight about it", the man said, "let's ask Comrade Rudolph whether it's officially raining or snowing".

As the official approached, the man said, "Tell us, Comrade Rudolph, is it officially raining or snowing?"

"It's raining, of course", he replied, and walked on.

But the woman insisted: "I know that felt like snow!", to which the man quietly replied: "Rudolph the Red knows rain, dear".


Well, that's it for this week

Have a great weekend!

Best regards