14 September 2001


New members joining us this week are:

Owen Connell from Carterton, UK

Ian Newlands from Didcot, UK

We welcome you to the OBA!

From:            Andy Kay
Subject:         the mystery photograph (09/07)
Date:              Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:12:34 -0400

Hi Tony,

I have nothing to really contribute on the 'mystery photo' of the Concorde at Brize, but I do seem to remember the thing using Brize for some kind of flight trials when I was on my Basic Movers course.  The barrack block for the AMTS (as it was then) used to literally shake when Concorde was doing touch and go's with full afterburners!

Funny how some of these photos bring old memories to the surface - I guess the Alzheimer's hasn't taken full grip yet!

Andy Kay

[Ed:  I hear you Andy - at least I will be able to when I get my ear trumpet fixed!]

From:             David Barton
Subject:          Tipping Technique
Date:              Fri, 7 Sep 2001 16:25:07 +0100

 Hi Tony,

Tks for your reply. The reason that no photos were taken at Lima of the offload was no doubt due to it all being carried out during the hours of darkness and that we were really pushed for time having to offload and re-load three Hercs in the space of a few hours. It was only when all this was completed that we were to learn that the Brit was u/s and then came the decision to return on one of the Hercs. or remain to be available should an engine change be necessary. It took us some real hard talk to convince Steve Taylor what the best solution was and as you say, we spent ten days in Lima.

The Engineer you could not remember was Robbie Robinson and the rest of the team was made up of  Jack Murray and Don Wickham. I have a photo taken outside the Hotel Crillon with you, Jack Murray, Don Wickham and Robbie Robinson.

I remember very well that both you and Robbie got 'attached' to some young ladies as well as did Don and Steve - this all started at a little cafe just over the road from the Crillon where we used to go for snacks and I think we all ended up at a great party the first or second night. Sadly Jack and I backed off  after that and spent most of our time touring the city and spending the evenings in a local Spanish Gentleman's Club just up the road from the Crillon, sipping brandy and smoking cigars. That was a great  trip but the powers that were did not agree with the decision to remain with the u/s Brit. Three months  later we were sunning it up South Caicos but that is another story as you well know.



[Ed:  The memories...   it sometimes seems like just yesterday - oh that it were!]


From:           Scott Innes
Subject:        Mystery Photograph Suggestions
Date:            Mon, 03 Sep 2001 09:22:39 +0100

New Mystery photo - Test flight of Concorde with new kevlar fuel tanks after Paris crash July last year???

[Ed:  Right again Scotty!  Perhaps the most famous aircraft in the world today, a Concorde of British Airways had arrived at RAF Brize Norton to conduct a series of tests prior to the aircraft returning to service with the carrier. Following the crash of a Concorde of Air France near Paris last year all aircraft were grounded for a number of safety improvements.  Concorde departed London's Heathrow airport and landed over three hours later after a shakedown flight over the Bristol Channel which included a short time at supersonic speeds. After the tests had been completed Concorde returned to its Heathrow base. The Concorde crew were met by Gp Capt Neil Jagger, Station Commander, RAF Brize Norton.]


From:           Merfyn Phillips
Date:            Sat, 08 Sep 2001 00:41:32 +0000


In the past whilst I was a member of the UKMAMS Association I attended the  meet and greets at the RAFA Club at Swindon and found that the persons that were there were more interested in what they were doing now than in what the ex movers were doing  In my mind they were not interested in the ex Movers I then did not renew my membership of the UKMAMS Association and will not unless the powers to be will do something to change the situation. I live in an area where there are a number of  ex movers and they feel the same. However your site does make me feel that I belong to a great bunch of guys and I look forward to Fridays when your e-mail arrives.

I spent a wonderful time at Khormaksar in 1966-67 with Bob Davies and Bob Atcheson - please give them my regards

Merfyn Phillips (Taff)

[Ed:  Thanks Taff.  I understand that you are not alone with your point of view.  I can also understand the youthful enthusiasm of the current squadron members.  Can you cast your mind back to those days when we were younger?  It seems to me that we were not at all interested in the older chaps that had served in WWII!  This particular issue has been brought to the attention of the powers that be in the Association.]


From:           Murdo Macleod
Subject:        Re: Old Boys Briefs 090701
Date:             Sat, 8 Sep 2001 11:50:48 -0700 (Pacific Daylight Time)

With reference to Dave Yeoman's Married accompanied tour at Muharraq 1969-71.  I fail to see what was unusual about that as my shift sergeant was also married accompanied 1967-68.

Murdo Macleod

[Ed:  Thanks Murdo - glad to see you didn't fall overboard!]


From:                  Jack Riley
Subject:              Re:UKMAMS Association
Date:                   Sat, 8 Sep 2001 12:22:50 +1000

Dear Tony

Bob Dixon's letter has given me a guilty conscience.  Although some of us probably do not qualify for membership only ever having served overseas there may be some who would like to help the Association in its work with those who have fallen on hard times or who need support.  Many of the "oldies" are probably living on pension so the amounts may not be large. The problem for those of us living "in furrin' parts" is that the cost of sending money to UK is usually more than the amount to be sent and I wont even mention exchange rates !!

If the Association can come up with a scheme, which gets round this problem we may be able to help to swell the funds a little.  Could the answer lie somewhere in the credit card world ?


[Ed:  Over to you Bob.]


From:          Jim Aitken
Subject:       Guvment.
Date:           Sun, 9 Sep 2001 15:38:04 +1000

...a federal budget deficit:

Once upon a time, the Government had a vast scrap yard in the middle of the Simpson Desert.  Parliament said, "Someone may steal from it at night." So, they created a night watchman  position and hired a person for the job.

Then Parliament said, "How does the watchman do his job without instructions?"  So, they created a planning department and hired two people, one person to write the instructions,  and one person to do the time studies.

Then Parliament said, "How will we know the watchman is doing the tasks correctly?" So, they created  a Quality Control department and hired two people - one to do the studies and one to write the reports.

Then Parliament  said, "How are these people going to get paid?" So, they created two positions and hired a timekeeper and a payroll officer.

Then  Parliament said. "Who will be accountable for all of these people?" So, they created an administrative section and hired three people.

Then Parliament  said, "We have had this department in operation for one year and we are  $18,000.00 over budget. We must cut back overall costs."
So, they laid off the night watchman.

[Ed:  Thanks Jim - 'aint that the truth!]


From:           Chas Cormack
Subject:        Re: Old Boys Briefs 090701
Date:            Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:26:01 +0100


The article on tipping the Herc brings back many memories, the trials were conducted at Boscombe Down and UKMAMS were there in force to be trained.  The main person I remember is Hughie Curran as he gave me his camera to take some photos.  The trial was with the Navy Lynx and we were only allowed to do it on manual as powered use of the ramp was a no no.

Going further back my first instance of tipping a Herc was at Darwin in 1968/9 when we were transporting Matra AS30 missiles to Woomera on FEAF MAMS and we had a nose wheel hang-up which eventually cleared and we got three greens (it took an hour and we landed on a full emergency).  The techies wanted to check the nose gear after we had been towed off the runway and  the Aussies lent us a forklift which we ran up on to the ramp, ramp closed was then tentatively selected and lo and behold the nose came off the ground so that they could do their checks. Needless to say all the crew were by then in the hotel with the exception of the Air Eng who was satisfied with the checks and off we went next day.

Having seen this happen, a few months later when I was at Long Nok Tha in Thailand on exercise,  Changi sent us a 20 ft ISO on railway sleepers which they had loaded from a Condec not realising that we only had a forklift up there we were faced with a similar problem except this time the sleepers made it too high to tip so we sent the load back and asked that they only put a couple of inches of dunnage under the ISO. The following day the load arrived with less dunnage and we grounded the ramp and brought the container to the rear. We did have some Beverley roller, which was a must at that time on tasks and whilst using  the winch to restrain the beast, gently selected ramp up and proceeded to winch out. The crew I believe George Luckens was the captain, had been taken away from the scene and we gently lowered the ISO down the ramp until the front end caught the dunnage we had put on the upturned Bev roller.

The crew then were allowed back to take the aircraft back to Changi but did remark on the fact that they were not keen to start engines with the ISO so close to the rear!


[Ed:  Thanks as always Chas for your very interesting accounts.  I believe it was Arfur English over there at Crab-Air who remarked quite a few months ago about the tipping of aircraft "Techies: 1  Movers: 0" - Wrong!]


From:       Rob Lilly
Subject:    Re: Invitation
Date:         Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:09:20 +0100


Thanks for contacting me. I will have a look later today after I have done all the mundane daily jobs. It was nice to see all the old names, I have been avoiding looking anyone up because you have to try to move forward when you leave. Although there were plenty of times that I hated the job (stacking VC10 vents in the winter) but the people you worked with made it great.


Robert Lilly
Procurement Officer
EH101, Intergroup, Sikorsky, Astra and Falcon.
Extn 3066

[Ed:  Thanks Rob - we look forward to receiving your application for membership.]


From:       Phil Clarke
Subject:    Whoops
Date:        Tue, 11 Sep 2001 15:14:00 +0200


WOMAN:  What would you do if I died? Would you get married again?
MAN:  Definitely not!
WOMAN: Why not - don't you like being  married?
MAN: Of course I do.
WOMAN: Then  why wouldn't you remarry?
MAN: Okay, I'd get married  again.
WOMAN: You would? (with a hurtful look on her  face)
MAN: (makes audible groan)
WOMAN:  Would you sleep with her in our bed?
MAN: Where else would we sleep?
WOMAN: Would you replace my pictures with hers?
MAN: That would seem like the proper thing to do.
WOMAN: Would she use my golf clubs?
MAN: No, she's  left-handed.
WOMAN: - - - silence - - -
MAN:  Sh*t!

[Ed:  Ouch!  Thanks Phil.]


From:           Dave Breckon
Subject:       (no subject)
Date:           Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:26:57 EDT

Hi Tony

Thanks for the E Mail.  Good to hear from you after all these years. We've just got back to California from UK and as you can imagine chaos ensues here.  I came back just before my family, they arrived back on US airways into LA the day before the terrorists struck.

I will reply later with my life history!   I've great admiration for the site you run, top man.

My old buddy Bob Atcheson and I have been in regular contact and plan to meet up again, he's such a bad influence!!!



[Ed:  It's great to hear from you Dave!  It was all of 28 years ago that I last saw you - such is the power of the Net.  We are looking forward to hearing all about your life when you have the time.]


In closing - I think all of our lives have been touched by the tragic events in the USA this past week - some moreso than others.  George W Bush is now facing having to make some very difficult decisions, and I for one hope that they will be the right ones.  I am also very aware that the current members of the squadron are going to be up-close and personal to this situation in the very near future - keep yours heads down boys!

Well, that's it for this week.

Best regards